Comments on: Before You Give Up On A Song…

By: Tony Conniff

Tony Conniff — Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:41:31 +0000

As usual, those are great ideas, Jon. Thanks for sharing them with us.
I’m going to incorporate some of them myself!
I tend to write a bunch of songs at the same time, in a circular way, too. (See point 3 in this post: http://tonyconniff.com/3-ways-to-finish-songs/)
Best wishes,
Tony

By: Tony Conniff

Tony Conniff — Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:38:02 +0000

In reply to Wally Stewart.

Thanks you for the kind words, Wally.
Particularly for saying, “you come across as being someone who is down here with us and not above”.
This is what I strive for; to use my experience as a songwriter to help others, and myself, get better.
NOT to be one of those people telling you how you must write a song for it to be good.
There is craft, of course, and I write about that a lot. But anyone who writes knows that it’s one thing to be in trenches, another thing to be the general behind the lines giving orders.
Best wishes,
Tony

By: Jon Gordon

Jon Gordon — Sat, 31 Mar 2018 15:00:48 +0000

Great points Tony! I’m all in favor of getting something written, even if some of the elements are “placeholders”, waiting for a better idea to come.
One of my frequent jobs is to write songs in 12 song batches, organized around some theme, record and produce them. It is inevitable that some songs come easily and some are like pulling teeth. They can’t all be wonderful, but I try to make all of them have an engaging quality that I can get behind and avoid outright stinkers.
Sometime, usually late in the production process, I will make work-in-progress CDs and listen to them in my car and various places, taking notes. I find this an extremely valuable way to review the work.
Recently, when I was experiencing some pressure to get a project out the door, I bumped the evaluation CDs to an earlier point in the process, making sure to include all the songs in development as soon as possible, even if some of them were still in rough form.
What I found was that it was much easier to zero in on the problem areas in the songs being able to hear them in context. It allowed me to zip through the finalizing of the production, either “making my peace” with the songs, or tweaking them to be more effective.
This certainly beats the alternative, which for me would be to endlessly agonize over the songs one at a time in production, not being sure what the shortcomings are, and suspecting everything.
So my advice with a difficult song would be to cobble something together by whatever means are necessary, and then look at it in a larger context. Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised!

By: Wally Stewart

Wally Stewart — Sat, 31 Mar 2018 14:32:53 +0000

Thanks Tony,

This may be the most helpful of your posts that I’ve seen. I now write poetry instead of songs, know how important every word is, and struggle with trying to express all that needs to be said but no more, in the best way I possibly can- which can bring the slog you mentioned. I’ve been stuck on one phrase, in a current poem, and just before reading your post think I finally came up with something that may work, so it was good timing for me.
I always appreciate your posts, you come across as being someone who is down here with us and not above, which I appreciate.