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		By: Nicolas Derome		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7317&quot;&gt;Burnley Vest&lt;/a&gt;.

I find it easier to think of true rhymes than false ones, especially if the false rhymes uses a different letter for the vowel (that is nonetheless pronounced the same). False rhymes also seem like a sneakier way to make lyrics sound good together. I find that they&#039;re less blatantly noticeable, they just sound good and you don&#039;t know why if you&#039;re just listening casually and not trying to carefully analyze the songwriting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7317">Burnley Vest</a>.</p>
<p>I find it easier to think of true rhymes than false ones, especially if the false rhymes uses a different letter for the vowel (that is nonetheless pronounced the same). False rhymes also seem like a sneakier way to make lyrics sound good together. I find that they&#8217;re less blatantly noticeable, they just sound good and you don&#8217;t know why if you&#8217;re just listening casually and not trying to carefully analyze the songwriting.</p>
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		By: Tony Conniff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7321&quot;&gt;Robert Berardi&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7321">Robert Berardi</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting!</p>
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		By: Tony Conniff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Conniff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7320&quot;&gt;Robert Berardi&lt;/a&gt;.

Robert,
It&#039;s different now, definitely. But a de-evolution? Can&#039;t agree. 
It&#039;s an extreme example, but something like Eminem&#039;s &#039;Lose Yourself&#039; is one of the greatest lyrics ever written, bar none, with some of the greatest and most creative rhyming (more like &#039;sound-matching&#039;, really) ever. Way beyond anything even dreamed of in the &#039;golden ages&#039; of songwriting.
&#039;Something&#039;s lost but something&#039;s gained/I&#039;ve looked at Clouds that way&#039;.
Best wishes,
Tony]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7320">Robert Berardi</a>.</p>
<p>Robert,<br />
It&#8217;s different now, definitely. But a de-evolution? Can&#8217;t agree.<br />
It&#8217;s an extreme example, but something like Eminem&#8217;s &#8216;Lose Yourself&#8217; is one of the greatest lyrics ever written, bar none, with some of the greatest and most creative rhyming (more like &#8216;sound-matching&#8217;, really) ever. Way beyond anything even dreamed of in the &#8216;golden ages&#8217; of songwriting.<br />
&#8216;Something&#8217;s lost but something&#8217;s gained/I&#8217;ve looked at Clouds that way&#8217;.<br />
Best wishes,<br />
Tony</p>
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		By: Tony Conniff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Conniff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7317&quot;&gt;Burnley Vest&lt;/a&gt;.

Burnley,
You make an interesting point. And certainly the kind of &#039;parlor trick&#039; you describe is best done off a &#039;true&#039; rhyme.I do think there&#039;s a lot more to the universe of rhyme that that, however.
It seems you look at rhyme with the &#039;true&#039; or &#039;perfect&#039; rhyme as the center, the sun, which all other rhymes radiate out from. You might call this the traditional view.
I see it more like a continuum of sounds. &#039;True&#039; rhymes certainly have characteristics that make them special, even unique - one of which you point out. But to me it&#039;s more about finding the right sounds for the particular song and/or character who&#039;s singing.
I don&#039;t think our POVs are in conflict... they co-exist (happily, at least in my mind).
Thanks for reading and for your thoughts. For more on mine check out: tonyconniff.com/who-says-you-cant-rhyme-orange/
Best wishes,
Tony]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7317">Burnley Vest</a>.</p>
<p>Burnley,<br />
You make an interesting point. And certainly the kind of &#8216;parlor trick&#8217; you describe is best done off a &#8216;true&#8217; rhyme.I do think there&#8217;s a lot more to the universe of rhyme that that, however.<br />
It seems you look at rhyme with the &#8216;true&#8217; or &#8216;perfect&#8217; rhyme as the center, the sun, which all other rhymes radiate out from. You might call this the traditional view.<br />
I see it more like a continuum of sounds. &#8216;True&#8217; rhymes certainly have characteristics that make them special, even unique &#8211; one of which you point out. But to me it&#8217;s more about finding the right sounds for the particular song and/or character who&#8217;s singing.<br />
I don&#8217;t think our POVs are in conflict&#8230; they co-exist (happily, at least in my mind).<br />
Thanks for reading and for your thoughts. For more on mine check out: tonyconniff.com/who-says-you-cant-rhyme-orange/<br />
Best wishes,<br />
Tony</p>
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		By: Tony Conniff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Conniff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7318&quot;&gt;David Forman&lt;/a&gt;.

You were a pioneer! (Rhymes with &#039;c&#039;m&#039;over here&#039;)
TC]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7318">David Forman</a>.</p>
<p>You were a pioneer! (Rhymes with &#8216;c&#8217;m&#8217;over here&#8217;)<br />
TC</p>
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		By: Robert Berardi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 23:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interestingly, rhymezone, the top online rhyming dictionary, offers &quot;near rhymes&quot;, but it&#039;s the end consonants that are the same while the vowel sounds are different!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, rhymezone, the top online rhyming dictionary, offers &#8220;near rhymes&#8221;, but it&#8217;s the end consonants that are the same while the vowel sounds are different!</p>
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		By: Robert Berardi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 23:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I think it started with rap.  Eminem &#038; Kendrick are amazing: they use imperfect rhymes mainly for internal rhymes, like jabs setting up their perfect rhyme haymakers. But I don&#039;t think the pop songs &#038; trap songs that have adopted imperfect rhymes are that artful.  So I agree with Burnley: it&#039;s a de-evolution.  Look at Ed Sheeran&#039;s &quot;Castle on the Hill&quot;... It&#039;s a likable enough song, but I literally can&#039;t find the rhymes.  And it&#039;s not like Cheap Trick&#039;s anti-rhyme punk stance &quot;Surrender&quot;; something different is going on.  I honestly think it&#039;s a dumbing down.  Not that Ed or Tay Tay are stupid; I just think that their demographic (i.e., Millennials) doesn&#039;t value the cleverness of Broadway/ folk craft, so they write imperfect rhymes and go, &quot;Eh, good enough.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think it started with rap.  Eminem &amp; Kendrick are amazing: they use imperfect rhymes mainly for internal rhymes, like jabs setting up their perfect rhyme haymakers. But I don&#8217;t think the pop songs &amp; trap songs that have adopted imperfect rhymes are that artful.  So I agree with Burnley: it&#8217;s a de-evolution.  Look at Ed Sheeran&#8217;s &#8220;Castle on the Hill&#8221;&#8230; It&#8217;s a likable enough song, but I literally can&#8217;t find the rhymes.  And it&#8217;s not like Cheap Trick&#8217;s anti-rhyme punk stance &#8220;Surrender&#8221;; something different is going on.  I honestly think it&#8217;s a dumbing down.  Not that Ed or Tay Tay are stupid; I just think that their demographic (i.e., Millennials) doesn&#8217;t value the cleverness of Broadway/ folk craft, so they write imperfect rhymes and go, &#8220;Eh, good enough.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Robert Berardi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 23:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7317&quot;&gt;Burnley Vest&lt;/a&gt;.

Totally agree!]]></description>
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<p>Totally agree!</p>
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		By: David Forman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I once had the pleasure of writing a musical promo for Frankie Day, the Pittsburgh rock n roll deejay, who asked if I could include his sidekick, Caveman Ralph. Being ever eager to please, I included this:
HE&#039;S GOT A PARTNER NAME OF CAVEMAN RALPH
I GET SO CRAZY I CAN&#039;T HELP MYSALF

Yours in rhyme and raisin,

David Forman]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once had the pleasure of writing a musical promo for Frankie Day, the Pittsburgh rock n roll deejay, who asked if I could include his sidekick, Caveman Ralph. Being ever eager to please, I included this:<br />
HE&#8217;S GOT A PARTNER NAME OF CAVEMAN RALPH<br />
I GET SO CRAZY I CAN&#8217;T HELP MYSALF</p>
<p>Yours in rhyme and raisin,</p>
<p>David Forman</p>
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		By: Burnley Vest		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Burnley Vest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Tony.

Thanks for the interesting piece. 

Perhaps a more accurate title would have been &quot;The De-evolution of Rhyme.&quot; To me, a false rhyme indicates laziness on the part of the writer. There&#039;s a real delight in a rhyme that manages to break new ground in trueness, like &quot;rinky dinky/Helsinki&quot;. Or consider Roger Miller from the song &quot;Dang Me&quot;:

Roses are red and violets are purple
Sugar is sweet and so is maple surple

He takes a cliché and turns it sideways, then throws in a non-sense word. Completely destroys our expectations and head fakes a seemingly boring beginning into a snicker-worthy gem of a couplet. 

I don&#039;t think that kind of pleasure from a  parlor trick with true rhyme can ever be matched by a false (or slant) rhyme. But I am willing to be pleasantly surprised if you have any compelling examples.

Best,
Burnley]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tony.</p>
<p>Thanks for the interesting piece. </p>
<p>Perhaps a more accurate title would have been &#8220;The De-evolution of Rhyme.&#8221; To me, a false rhyme indicates laziness on the part of the writer. There&#8217;s a real delight in a rhyme that manages to break new ground in trueness, like &#8220;rinky dinky/Helsinki&#8221;. Or consider Roger Miller from the song &#8220;Dang Me&#8221;:</p>
<p>Roses are red and violets are purple<br />
Sugar is sweet and so is maple surple</p>
<p>He takes a cliché and turns it sideways, then throws in a non-sense word. Completely destroys our expectations and head fakes a seemingly boring beginning into a snicker-worthy gem of a couplet. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that kind of pleasure from a  parlor trick with true rhyme can ever be matched by a false (or slant) rhyme. But I am willing to be pleasantly surprised if you have any compelling examples.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Burnley</p>
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		By: Tony Conniff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Conniff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2017 06:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7315&quot;&gt;Bill Edwards&lt;/a&gt;.

Bill,
Well said; couldn&#039;t agree more! 
The question is... Which sound is the right sound? Once you get past &#039;true&#039; rhymes (&#039;slamming the door&#039;), it&#039;s just different shades of how the door closes... or doesn&#039;t.
Thanks reading and commenting!
Best wishes,
TC]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7315">Bill Edwards</a>.</p>
<p>Bill,<br />
Well said; couldn&#8217;t agree more!<br />
The question is&#8230; Which sound is the right sound? Once you get past &#8216;true&#8217; rhymes (&#8216;slamming the door&#8217;), it&#8217;s just different shades of how the door closes&#8230; or doesn&#8217;t.<br />
Thanks reading and commenting!<br />
Best wishes,<br />
TC</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2017 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tony, thanks for the thoughtful article. Here&#039;s the way I&#039;ve been thinking lately, right or wrong: rhymes are a tool in the writer&#039;s shed. False rhymes work differently than true rhymes. A false rhyme can be like closing the door softly, while a true rhyme can be like slamming it. And the combination (per your article) can make a point; if a true rhyme follows a string of false rhymes, it can indicate that these lines are a more important statement than what preceded. 

My strong belief is that in songwriting (as you&#039;ve written previously), there are no rules, only tools. Rhyme is a flexible and extraordinarily useful implement. The effects can be subtle, but a good writer studies them and knows how to apply them. Fast, loose, rap-style rhyming is different from elegant, careful Tin Pan Alley-style rhyming. Each elicits a specific, intentional response. Neither is better than the other, just as a hammer isn&#039;t better than a lathe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, thanks for the thoughtful article. Here&#8217;s the way I&#8217;ve been thinking lately, right or wrong: rhymes are a tool in the writer&#8217;s shed. False rhymes work differently than true rhymes. A false rhyme can be like closing the door softly, while a true rhyme can be like slamming it. And the combination (per your article) can make a point; if a true rhyme follows a string of false rhymes, it can indicate that these lines are a more important statement than what preceded. </p>
<p>My strong belief is that in songwriting (as you&#8217;ve written previously), there are no rules, only tools. Rhyme is a flexible and extraordinarily useful implement. The effects can be subtle, but a good writer studies them and knows how to apply them. Fast, loose, rap-style rhyming is different from elegant, careful Tin Pan Alley-style rhyming. Each elicits a specific, intentional response. Neither is better than the other, just as a hammer isn&#8217;t better than a lathe.</p>
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		By: Tony Conniff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Conniff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2017 00:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7313&quot;&gt;Scott Forman&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Scott, for reading and writing!
Best wishes,
Tony]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyconniff.com/the-evolution-of-rhyme/#comment-7313">Scott Forman</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Scott, for reading and writing!<br />
Best wishes,<br />
Tony</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2017 22:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tony - great article. Songwriters today are not doing tight rhymes or pure rhymes because they are boring! As you teach when you use Eminem as an example of a brilliant rhymer, rappers are really brilliant at making words or word combinations rhyme. Kelsea Ballerini in her new brilliant song Music sings &quot;Before i knew your love, even with the volume up, it was silent then, now you walkin in the room, all kinda smooth, like a violin.

Knew your love - volume up
Room - Smooth
Silent then - violin  
(the songwriters of this song even posted on Instagram #whatrhymeswithviolin?) kind of an inside joke from the experience. 

Thanks for the Taylor Swift Max Martin Shellback update!

Scott Forman]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony &#8211; great article. Songwriters today are not doing tight rhymes or pure rhymes because they are boring! As you teach when you use Eminem as an example of a brilliant rhymer, rappers are really brilliant at making words or word combinations rhyme. Kelsea Ballerini in her new brilliant song Music sings &#8220;Before i knew your love, even with the volume up, it was silent then, now you walkin in the room, all kinda smooth, like a violin.</p>
<p>Knew your love &#8211; volume up<br />
Room &#8211; Smooth<br />
Silent then &#8211; violin<br />
(the songwriters of this song even posted on Instagram #whatrhymeswithviolin?) kind of an inside joke from the experience. </p>
<p>Thanks for the Taylor Swift Max Martin Shellback update!</p>
<p>Scott Forman</p>
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